Nearly half of Dell workers opt for full-time remote work, even though it means no promotions

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In brief: Would you be willing to sacrifice promotions and the opportunity to change roles if it meant working remotely full-time? That's the dilemma facing Dell's employees, and almost half of them have opted to stay remote due to personal, financial, and logistical reasons.

It was reported earlier this year that Dell would start classifying most workers as either remote or hybrid. Hybrid workers must come into the office at least 39 days per quarter, which is the equivalent of about three days per week. And while remote workers get to stay at home full-time, the trade-off is a lack of career advancement: no promotions or applying for new roles at the company.

Dell uses a color-coded monitoring system to ensure its remote workers are meeting their office attendance quota. Business Insider reports that it has seen this internal tracking data, and it shows almost 50% of employees have chosen to stay at home full-time despite the consequences.

BI spoke to several Dell employees about why they would opt to work from home even though it was detrimental to their careers. Some cited the practical issues: their local offices had been shut down during the pandemic, and the next closest facility was too far away. One said the people they work with were at different sites, so there was no need to go into the office at all. Another said their schedule required the flexibility that comes from WFH.

The main reasons Dell employees chose to work remotely full-time will be familiar to anyone who does it: the personal and financial benefits. Spending more time with family, having personal space, the comforts and familiarity of home, and a better work/life balance were all highlighted as being preferable to the chance of being promoted. Moreover, not having to commute regularly and spend money on lunches were financial incentives.

For some, the threat of no promotions is an empty one. Staffers said these opportunities have felt limited for years, regardless of how they choose to work. But many are aggrieved by the company's ultimatum, and are looking for other jobs that don't push people back into the office.

Dell says that "in-person connections paired with a flexible approach are critical to drive innovation and value differentiation." Its transition away from WFH began in early 2023, when it demanded workers living within an hour's commute of the nearest company office return for three days per week.

A survey in 2022 showed that 96% of people would be willing to give up a percentage of their salary to work from home permanently. And not just a small amount: 30% would give up half or more, while 2 in 5 would take between 25% and 50% less pay to keep working from home indefinitely. Respondents were also willing to give up benefits such as health insurance and paid time off.

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I wonder if p[people would be less likely to prefer to work from home if they did not have to spend so much time driving to and from work.
I have 20 minutes walk to office and still am much more productive when working from home. No unnecessary disruptions, no dummy meetings, no time wasters, and office workplace ergonomic is a joke. Still going there a few times a month anyway, but only if there is not much on my plate.

Giving up on themselves in getting professionally promoted is such a terrible decision that many will regret sooner than later and all because of a convenience.....wow
nah. Read the source. They still have the same skills as a 'promoted' person, promotions are rare anyway, and they did their math - it simply makes no sense. Especially if you're on a senior position already and see no reason to push for executive place.
You clearly didn't read the linked report with a number of people explaining their choice. They addressing your concern as well there.
 
I feel like these "no promotion" threats are pretty empty. If you are contributing significantly to your area and your key stakeholders are aware of this, they will seek to retain you through whatever means they can, particularly if you leaving would impact their ability to deliver. If they don't seek to retain you then your work is undervalued anyway, and you'd be better off elsewhere. The fact is what should matter is what you do, not anything else (in a holistic sense - not just pure results). Maybe being the office on average helps this, but those are just averages.
 
I am working full time remote right now, and I was working hybrid 2 days a week during the last 2 years.

Management can say whatever they want, but there is no value to be in office. The only reason they want you back is for managing their inability to manage people.

As for hybrid, it is a joke. You got to office for meetings, but all the conference rooms are booked because everyone is there on Tuesday, so you end up doing a virtual meeting and working on your stupid Microsoft Office documents. I can do that in my home office with a better setup, thank you.
 
Not to mention the following... now tell me it is not management inability to manage...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/otta...nt-spy-robot-prowls-federal-offices-1.7239711

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I wonder if p[people would be less likely to prefer to work from home if they did not have to spend so much time driving to and from work.
It is not just that. Transiting to office cost easily 300$ a month as a whole (sporadic lunch, coffee, parking, gas, insurance...)

That's more than 3000$ a year... that's 2 months of rent for no benefit...
 
Giving up on themselves in getting professionally promoted is such a terrible decision that many will regret sooner than later and all because of a convenience.....wow
Hell with that... I am the best at what I do and earn 132 000$ a year.

I could have been promoted a long time ago but I would double my workload for a mere 15 000$ more a year that will end up being taxed by half. I can live without 7500$ and live stress free and working from home. Hell, from my calculation, I could retire at 45.
 
Hell with that... I am the best at what I do and earn 132 000$ a year.

I could have been promoted a long time ago but I would double my workload for a mere 15 000$ more a year that will end up being taxed by half. I can live without 7500$ and live stress free and working from home. Hell, from my calculation, I could retire at 45.
If you can handle a wife/husband/kids at home then you can handle an office....let's be honest, this is not about "stress" at the work place or getting "taxed" as that serves as an excuse not to get paid better and not getting a higher social and professional status which is fine not every person in the world is looking to go further in life.
 
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Hell with that... I am the best at what I do and earn 132 000$ a year.

I could have been promoted a long time ago but I would double my workload for a mere 15 000$ more a year that will end up being taxed by half. I can live without 7500$ and live stress free and working from home. Hell, from my calculation, I could retire at 45.

This right here.

Some people need those promotions and extra money to feel validated. Screw that. I make enough and am putting the max toward retirement. Why TF would I want more stress to work worse hours at a job that I'm less good at than the one I like and do right now?
 
"in-person connections paired with a flexible approach are critical to drive innovation and value differentiation."
There's a list of social studies the proved this assumption incorrect.
But let's not have truth get in the way of the willingness of a sociopath.
Yup, I know sociopath is not used anymore but I'm not writing to a psychiatry magazine.
 
I would be ok with the Hybrid schedule as long as the commute was short. However, anything longer that a 20minute commute is not something that is tolerable. I have better things to do with my time than be on the road for an hour or more every day. Just not going to do it.

Employers get me for a maximum of 7 hours a day, including commute times, end of story. My current job gets me fully remote(because I don't live in the same state and I'm not relocating) for a maximum of 6 hours per day and a maximum of 4 days per week. This arrangement is mutually beneficial and I average 20hours a week actual work time.
 
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If you can handle a wife/husband/kids at home then you can handle an office....let's be honest, this is not about "stress" at the work place or getting "taxed" as that serves as an excuse not to get paid better and not getting a higher social and professional status which is fine not every person in the world is looking to go further in life.
you're missing an insanely huge picture lol. people actually love their families, they usually don't love the people they're forced to work beside in order to not starve. massive difference. nothing to do with not being able to handle things or getting taxed more. simple fact is some losers aren't worth the extra workload/stress you'd entail when you don't even like them, let alone love them. yes I said losers. being a loser is based on your mindset and outlook not wealth. cardi b is a good example of a loser. "you're only giving me $5k more a year to spend 3x as much time with that ***** Jimothy? nah I'll stay home and listen to my wife and kids, who I love. thanks."
 
I will simply promote myself by looking for another job. Leaving to another company will boost your pay more than being promoted there anyway. There are way to many remote jobs out there that pay very well to put up with this crap. I will never go back into an office considering my well-being, stress levels, and autonomy are more important.
 
People that work from home only work 3 hours in an 8 hour shift. Good for them, but I understand employers motivations.
 
People that work from home only work 3 hours in an 8 hour shift. Good for them, but I understand employers motivations.
This assumes people who work in an office work 8 hours in an 8 hour shift. But they don't. Between all the distractions, pointless meetings, listening to other peoples phone calls (sometimes on speaker mode), lunch, drinks and so on, I believe the average people actually work is comparable to around 3 hours regardless. At least in the UK I believe productivity is around 30-40%?
 
Dell and Secureworks, what a bunch. They made me an offer a couple of years ago, mid pandemic. Three days a week in the office and permanent on-call. I refused kindly.
 
Giving up on themselves in getting professionally promoted is such a terrible decision that many will regret sooner than later and all because of a convenience.....wow

I make 3.4x median salary .. I'll stay home where I'm more productive .. walk downstairs for 3x cheaper lunch, not waste 15$ a day in gas .. waste 2 hours of my time driving and use it for work if I need to .. oh .. and freeball fridays are pretty sweet ..
 
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